Friday, October 16, 2009

Atheists Arguments are Irrational

Atheists Arguments are irrational for several reasons.

1. Inductive reasoning is uncertain.
Inductive reasoning assumes a general conclusion based on specific facts or patterns. Scientists use inductive reasoning as the basis for building theories. Experiments yield results which are used to create theories that explain the results and allows for prediction of future knowledge.

Here's the problem: inductive reasoning is uncertain (yes, the implication is that science is also uncertain. gasp!)

For example, for centuries, the mainstream scholarly opinion was that black swans did not exist. Much of the world had been discovered and no evidence for black swans had been found. Thus, they inductively reasoned:

No evidence for the existence of black swans exist.
Therefore, all swans are black.

Imagine their shock when black swans were discovered in Australia in the 17th century! The discovery of black swans should have taught us to be wary of making universal assumptions and underestimating what we don't know.

Sadly, it didn't. When atheists state, "There is no God" they are engaging in same inductive based reasoning as their black swan predecessors:

No evidence for the existence of God exists.
Therefore, God does not exist.

People who insist on evidence alone for their beliefs are known as logical empiricists (aka logical positivists).

2. Logical Positivism is irrational.
Logical empiricists places high value on evidence as a confirmation for knowledge. They insist on the principle of verifiability meaning that only knowledge that can be proven true or false - by the evidence - is meaningful. In other words, empirical verifiability is the ultimate truth standard and any possibility not represented by the evidence is rejected out of hand.

I've often heard logical empiricists state with great pomp, "I have no beliefs! Only facts as proven by the evidence!"

Yet, despite their belief in the truth of their own statement, sustaining a logical empiricist position is difficult, if not impossible, since it is based on inductive reasoning and, hence, uncertainty and assumption.

Logical empiricists don't seem to understand that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Moreover, logical positivism is self-contradictory. Since the principle of verifiability itself cannot be emperically proven true or false by means of experience, then, logical positivism can not be meaningful either.

For these and other reasons logical empiricism has been replaced by other philosophical methodologies despite the fact that academics - especially the sciences - still teach this weak approach. In my opinion, , it has lead many a young and brilliant mind astray.

In its attempt to produce free thinkers, academia has unwittingly produced limited thinkers.

3. Biased Interpretation
A person who is limited in their thinking is biased in their interpretation of the evidence. Many limited thinkers believe they are unbiased, but, in reality, they are anything but.

Consider this statement by Richard Dawkins:

"You cannot be both sane and well educated and disbelieve in evolution. The evidence is so strong that any sane, educated person has got to believe in evolution."

See what I mean? Dawkins sets up a false dilemma (a logical fallacy, by the way) that limits the conclusion to one of two possible outcomes: Believe in evolution or risk insanity and ignorance. Because he can imagine no other scenario, Dawkins goes on to say:

"Now there are plenty of sane, educated, religious people: there are professors of theology, and there are bishops ... and so obviously they all believe in evolution or they wouldn't have gotten where they have because they would be too stupid or too ignorant. So, it is a fact that there are evolutionists who are religious and there are religious people who are evolutionists."

It's this kind of constrained reasoning that lead me away from logical positivism taught in school, to support a different methodology based on skeptical empiricism meaning that theories resulting from experiments are just one of possbily several interpretations of the evidence and is not exhaustive of all other possibilities.

For example, the arguments from natural theology, in my mind, make a far more compelling case for the Universe's existence brought about by a Supreme Rational Mind than mere random chance as atheists promote. Could my interpretation be incorrect? Of course. But, I certainly don't constrain or force my reasoning to fit my bias and I don't make statements like:

"You cannot be both sane and well educated and disbelieve in God. The evidence is so strong that any sane, educated person has got to believe in God."

I realize that people can be both educated and sane, yet, still disbelieve in God.

Conclusion
If anything my bias for clear and rational thinking biases me against atheism. As as student of logic, I can't and won't allow myself to to erect a worldview based on the uncertainly of inductive reasoning. I'm not saying that that inductive reasoning is inherently flawed and leads to bad thinking. On the contrary, inductive reasoning has lead to advances in medicine, technology, and science.

Inductive logic can be a very good thing.

What I am saying is that we need to be critical of our thinking processes to mitigate the slide into logical empiricism and biased interpretation which can and does happen as evidenced by the intellectual weakness of the atheistic position. In my opinion, atheism is an illogical position to maintain.

5 Comments:

At October 16, 2009 at 10:45 AM , Blogger N5AC said...

Most Atheists are what Dawkins calls a "teapot atheist." The idea is that they are not certain that no God exists, but are rather stating that it is as likely as it is that there is a large teapot swirling around the sun. This does leave open the door to the existence of God, but proclaims that there is not only no evidence, it just sounds like the kind of story man would make up because he was scared and uneducated.

The key difference here is that many were brought up on the idea of a God so it does not sound quite as fishy as a teapot swirling around the sun, so people are more inclined to believe it. In addition, individuals that do not believe in the existence of God are generally not into hammering those that are, so all of the believers can gang together and espouse their beliefs together without ridicule and this, in and of itself, is self-reinforcing.

What a typical non-believer believes is really no different than what religious individuals do today -- they look at what they see around them and proclaim that it is more likely than not that God does exist. This is just a different reading of the clues or lack thereof that are available.

What really strikes me as funny (and hypocritical) is that Christians look at other religions and say they are not the true way to Him and yet they are unable to look around and see what a minority in the world they are, numerically speaking. Most also laugh when presented with views of polytheism from the past or in popular entertainment, yet it is no less fishy than their beliefs. Dawkins joke about this is that we are all Atheists (Christians and not), it is just that some of us take it one God further than others. The view of Christians strike me as arrogant, hypocritical and just plain uneducated, but not maliciously so.

Stating that inductive reasoning is uncertain is certainly your prerogative, as it is so by definition. Humans do, however, base much of their decisions on uncertain information. In fact, we base many decisions on quick judgments based on stereotypes. This is how we are wired.

If you are walking down a back street in New Jersey at dusk and are passed by a tall black man with gold chains, a twisted-sideways baseball cap, pants revealing 3" of boxer shorts and a pipe in his hand, you are going to veer the other way. You just stereotyped that individual as a criminal. Our survivability -- no our entire body -- is based on these kinds of abilities. Our skill to scan an area visually and make a snap determination of danger is bred into us.

Inductive reasoning is not near so bad, yet individuals let their heart and their gut drive them to religion because it relieves pain and suffering and makes the world a happy place. Just because inductive reasoning is not certain, does not make it always wrong. Given the option of a fable about an all-powerful being that wants me to bow before Him to admit that I am not in control and that I am a puny human compared or believing in reason, I'll take reason.

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Academics and universities are not designed for free thinkers. Many are there to grind liberalism into the minds of young individuals and indoctrinate them in same. I would argue this is not the case in engineering and sciences, generally, but as the impressionable young listen to liberal professors espouse their agenda, many will be indoctrinated. I would far prefer that a professor asked for an opinion on a non-technical topic reply with, "I don't know -- what do you think? What evidence do you have of that? Why do you believe that way?" My biology teacher in High School was like this -- any question she received, she analyzed in her head and then if she felt we could arrive at the answer, she replied "You decide." (obviously a technical subject, but you get the idea)

(see next post)

 
At October 16, 2009 at 10:45 AM , Blogger N5AC said...

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Dawkins assertion that education and examination of evidence will lead most rational individuals to a belief in evolution is a fair assertion. He believes it so firmly that he throws down the gauntlet with his false dilemma, but it is a device not so much a statement of belief. It is his way of saying that you would be crazy to be educated, examine the evidence and disbelieve. It is a sound bite designed to be divisive.


"America, love it or leave it" is a similar statement. It is a call to action for those that do not love America -- it is a way of saying "if you don't love America, go elsewhere." Yes, examined as an informal speech fallacy, it is a false dilemma, but it is designed to make individuals become introspective about their beliefs.

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Atheism is the assertion that a God does not exist. I suspect few true proclaimed "atheists" feel like this versus the teapot atheist that Dawkins describes. It is not illogical to doubt the existence of a supreme being sans evidence, simply because others are espousing a fable about a man before the dawn of somewhat accurately recorded history and stating that things they see around them are not built by "random chance," which tends to be the uneducated view of evolution.

You should watch PBS's Intelligent Design on Trial. I believe the individuals promoting ID in the documentary are stereotypical Christians. Consider yourself baited.

Steve

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM , Blogger Roy Clemmons said...

Great comments. Thanks for taking the time to post them.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:29 AM , Anonymous Kristian said...

1. Inductive Reasoning is uncertain
I agree with you, inductive reasoning is uncertain. The only 'proof' for induction is induction itself. Therefore, limiting ourselves to deduction only (and for the moment, being logical positivists), one cannot deduce the existence or nonexistence of a deity given our current evidence. Therefore, one can only be an agnostic.

Actually, without induction, we really can't say anything. Everything we take for granted is uncertain. "Will this ball come back down if I toss it up in the air?" So, going back to our 'current evidence', without induction, that set of evidence dissolves like sand through our fingers. So the next time someone asks one a question, unless it's a simple syllogism that can be answered with only deduction, the only reasonable answer must be "I don't know".


2. Logical Positivism is irrational
I would rephrase that as "logical positivism is trivial". Since we are limited only to deduction, we can't make any generalizations. All we can do is answer syllogisms using the limited evidence we have as the premise.

With induction, logical positivism attempted to serve as an unbiased system for making decisions. Without it, how can we now make unbiased decisions? We no longer have a way of assigning probabilities to the possible outcomes. The only rational conclusion I've settled on after debating this for awhile, is an RNG assuming each possible outcome has equal weight. "The RNG spat out 43209322325242394 (yes, 64-bit), so I now believe in Ba‛al."


3. Biased Interpretation
I argue (using deduction only, of course) that my conclusions are not biased, because they aren't saying anything.


Conclusion
Generalizing (with induction) your statement "Atheists Arguments are Irrational", I put forth "∀ Arguments Which Use Induction are Irrational". If anyone states anything (other than a proposition based only on deduction), the only appropriate response is to bitch-slap them and remind them that they don't know anything. Of course this means the next time you see me, you'll have to bitch-slap me for writing this paragraph.

 
At May 26, 2010 at 11:34 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent post. Shatters the atheist position.

 

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